M8/81 Scoped
M8/81 Scoped
There have been several threads and several pictures regarding scopes, mounts, etc. Seems like it would be good to start a dedicated thread. I'll start with my recently acquired 5 holeStith mounts. (Hang in there guys, don't hyper ventilate or anything just because I'm posting pictures... ALREADY!!)
Lyman Alaskan in the Stith mounts that Joe surprised me by getting for me while I was doing time in the hospital. Dials are turned 180 - up is facing the camera, right on top. Haven't tried it yet but soon.
Stith mounts I've accumulatedm trying to find a fit for one of my 3 Weaver K4 - still no correct front piece.
The only match I could make was for a Weaver K1!
Lyman Alaskan in the Stith mounts that Joe surprised me by getting for me while I was doing time in the hospital. Dials are turned 180 - up is facing the camera, right on top. Haven't tried it yet but soon.
Stith mounts I've accumulatedm trying to find a fit for one of my 3 Weaver K4 - still no correct front piece.
The only match I could make was for a Weaver K1!
Last edited by imfuncity on Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:06 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
Re: M8/81 Scoped
Geez Mitch you're the Stith expert, you've got a lot of those front bases. And none of them worked?
Cam Woodall
Site Owner / Administrator
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Hey imfuncity,
The stith looks pretty darn good.
Your pictures sure come thought very clear. Maybe we can get the thread that you are suggesting if we sweet talk our Texas buddy.
There appears to be a wide variety of scopes that were put on the springpoles. I have a hard time getting use to the offset but I don't use it that often and that is probably the reason.
Regards,
Jack
The stith looks pretty darn good.


Regards,
Jack
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I like y'alls thinking. I'd love to update the "Sights & Scope Mounts" in the Gallery Page to make it a little more organized. Maybe some identification photos for those who buy a gun with x number of holes and aren't sure what mount it used to hold. We get that question a lot, "do you know what scope mount this takes?".
Cam Woodall
Site Owner / Administrator
Site Owner / Administrator
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I can definitely contribute some pictures of rifles that have holes. I am one of those guys who has asked that question more times than I would like.
I would like to see the mount that goes on the rifle that had 14 holes in the receiver.
That scope must be one heavy son-of-a-gun.
Let me know if I can help with the thread.
Regards,
jack1653



Let me know if I can help with the thread.
Regards,
jack1653
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Mitch, That looks like an early K4 from the adjustment turrents.Give me the diameter of the bell and the length from rim of bell to where it begins to narrow back to the inch tube diameter.I think I have a front mount tube to fit it.I don`t have an early one to try here.
By the way nothing wrong with a K1. Have one on a 44 mag Carbine that I use for hogs and deer in the thick swamp at the place on the Savannah River. What reticle is in your K1? If it is a Lee dot you have some trading material with me. Joe
By the way nothing wrong with a K1. Have one on a 44 mag Carbine that I use for hogs and deer in the thick swamp at the place on the Savannah River. What reticle is in your K1? If it is a Lee dot you have some trading material with me. Joe
".......ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
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"What fits my 5 holer?", me-too! That is how I got here back in ought 7. Referred by Joe Hulett our friendly eBay 8/81 screw maker "Win6798"; his eBay store: http://stores.ebay.com/Apertures-N-More ... 4340.l2563 Screws, sight apertures, etc. he's the man - helped many of us fill the holes and/or sent us where we can.
As to the Stith expert, NOT! If I were, I wouldn't keep buying the wrong one (no thanks to the woefully inadequate information available in some old scope books regarding Mr Stith and his product.) For the record I left out a 2 or 3 pieces even MORE incorrect for this application!
Thanks, Cam - like the scope/hole/mount ID page. Do we keep posting here and you'll make up another page as you can, gathering up the photos etc. or wait to post until...?
As to the Stith expert, NOT! If I were, I wouldn't keep buying the wrong one (no thanks to the woefully inadequate information available in some old scope books regarding Mr Stith and his product.) For the record I left out a 2 or 3 pieces even MORE incorrect for this application!
Thanks, Cam - like the scope/hole/mount ID page. Do we keep posting here and you'll make up another page as you can, gathering up the photos etc. or wait to post until...?
Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
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Mitch, These are the ones I have in the parts box. I think the one I took the single photos of may be what you are looking for.Send me the measurements and I`ll see if it fits. Joe
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Re: M8/81 Scoped - Jacks
A variety from Jack
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Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
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Hey Guys,
A big "THANK YOU" for posting the pictures. I have only used two of the rifles, the first one and the last one in the photos. The top photo is a .300 Savage. I forgot to put the magazine in the rifle and didn't realize it until I saw the picture. It is a Krieger conversion and has two magazines. I had some real issues in trying to sight this rifle. I did not know anything about the Pachmayer swing mount and it was challenging to get the rifle on paper. You will notice that there is a knurled knob on the mount and that is used to set the tension on the mount. Once I figured that out, I had the problem soleved. It is very accurate and a real "hog killer".
The last photo is a Model 8 .35. It had been professionally refinished, re-blued and checkered when I purchased it. It is another "hog killer". I find it more difficult to load and using the stripper clip won't work because of the scope position.
I haven't shot the others and probably won't. Each is a little different from the others and just adds a variety to the collection.
I have several rifles that are tapped for the Stith mount and am going through the same process as Mitch. I have three stith mounts but I haven't picke which rifle I want to fix first. Sarge756 has given me some good suggestions about which scopes I can get and it is a matter of deciding which to purchase. Two of the mounts are labeled for "the Alaskan" and "The Texan". I guess the third is generic and will accept any period correct scope.
I hope y'all enjoy the pictures. I have talked to 81police about a special thread for the subject of scopes and I think imfuncity has also. If we give 81police a little time, I think we will have a new topic in the future.
Regards,
jack1653
A big "THANK YOU" for posting the pictures. I have only used two of the rifles, the first one and the last one in the photos. The top photo is a .300 Savage. I forgot to put the magazine in the rifle and didn't realize it until I saw the picture. It is a Krieger conversion and has two magazines. I had some real issues in trying to sight this rifle. I did not know anything about the Pachmayer swing mount and it was challenging to get the rifle on paper. You will notice that there is a knurled knob on the mount and that is used to set the tension on the mount. Once I figured that out, I had the problem soleved. It is very accurate and a real "hog killer".
The last photo is a Model 8 .35. It had been professionally refinished, re-blued and checkered when I purchased it. It is another "hog killer". I find it more difficult to load and using the stripper clip won't work because of the scope position.
I haven't shot the others and probably won't. Each is a little different from the others and just adds a variety to the collection.
I have several rifles that are tapped for the Stith mount and am going through the same process as Mitch. I have three stith mounts but I haven't picke which rifle I want to fix first. Sarge756 has given me some good suggestions about which scopes I can get and it is a matter of deciding which to purchase. Two of the mounts are labeled for "the Alaskan" and "The Texan". I guess the third is generic and will accept any period correct scope.
I hope y'all enjoy the pictures. I have talked to 81police about a special thread for the subject of scopes and I think imfuncity has also. If we give 81police a little time, I think we will have a new topic in the future.
Regards,
jack1653
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We can perhaps make this topic a "sticky" and continually add information to it so that its a running piece of info. Another idea is to take photographs of rifles without scope mounts (just drilled holes) then show the "after" picture of what scope mount corresponds to those holes. I could put that together as a reference in the "gallery" section under "8/81 Scope Mounts". I've seen plenty of drilled holes that I have no idea what they're for still today.
Cam Woodall
Site Owner / Administrator
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Sounds like a "Sticky" would work. I'll get some "holey" pictures up. Jack send me some photos of your unscrewed "unHolly holey's" too.
Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
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Due to my inability to read or to make inquires before buying, I've acquired a few Stith mounts and the unofficially label Stith Expert (unpert would be more-better). Thus, I'll expose more of my ignorance for the sake of education. (I couldn't even find any help in Stroebel's old scope book - must be missing something.) Nevertheless, I'm sure there are many knowledgeable folks out there who know more about these then I am ever going to learn....
In my OP, the fourth photo shows my extra Stith parts and that the front mount won't work for my Weaver K4s.... Got to thinking, with those extra parts maybe a little comparing would reveal something, even to a blind hog (DUH!) unpert for sure!
Cleverly stamped on the back of 2 of my 3 rear mounts is F3A 3.36" long and F4A 3.52" long (both with spacers inside to fit a 1" tube), the 3rd is no marked. When I switched rear mounts to the longer one, the K4 "L" w/ 1.36" bell matched up far better with an unmarked but correct size front mount. The front elevation of the scope seems a bit high vs. running parallel with the barrel, but will sight it in and see if it works. The apparent matched front mount, marked F4, is for a scope with 1.5" bell, which I do not have. (Joe, appreciate your offer of a different front mount, may still need it.) On the other hand, as indicated by the first photo in my OP the 7/8" Alaskan scope fit perfectly with the both unmarked 7/8" Stith mounts (again spacer in the rear), leaving it visibly parallel with the barrel. (Great buy Joe, are you that lucky or do you know something?) Will also be FORCED (sigh) to go shooting and sight this one in - once it stops raining! (Of course, the rains don't start here until Nov/Dec. Not that I'm complaining but isn't this like Oct? Rain? We are still flood irrigating - probably will today IN the rain!)
Bottom line, it appears that I may have been lucky with so few parts (so far) - as getting the correct Stith mounts for the correct scope is a matter of collecting parts until you get a match that sights in! Then QUIT buying holey rifles and sell off the parts to the next sap so he can become an Unpert!
In my OP, the fourth photo shows my extra Stith parts and that the front mount won't work for my Weaver K4s.... Got to thinking, with those extra parts maybe a little comparing would reveal something, even to a blind hog (DUH!) unpert for sure!
Cleverly stamped on the back of 2 of my 3 rear mounts is F3A 3.36" long and F4A 3.52" long (both with spacers inside to fit a 1" tube), the 3rd is no marked. When I switched rear mounts to the longer one, the K4 "L" w/ 1.36" bell matched up far better with an unmarked but correct size front mount. The front elevation of the scope seems a bit high vs. running parallel with the barrel, but will sight it in and see if it works. The apparent matched front mount, marked F4, is for a scope with 1.5" bell, which I do not have. (Joe, appreciate your offer of a different front mount, may still need it.) On the other hand, as indicated by the first photo in my OP the 7/8" Alaskan scope fit perfectly with the both unmarked 7/8" Stith mounts (again spacer in the rear), leaving it visibly parallel with the barrel. (Great buy Joe, are you that lucky or do you know something?) Will also be FORCED (sigh) to go shooting and sight this one in - once it stops raining! (Of course, the rains don't start here until Nov/Dec. Not that I'm complaining but isn't this like Oct? Rain? We are still flood irrigating - probably will today IN the rain!)
Bottom line, it appears that I may have been lucky with so few parts (so far) - as getting the correct Stith mounts for the correct scope is a matter of collecting parts until you get a match that sights in! Then QUIT buying holey rifles and sell off the parts to the next sap so he can become an Unpert!
Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
M81 5holer Before
Before photo of first photo in OP: M81 5holer, Stith mounts, and Lyman Alaskan 7/8" scope - rear mount screws 6-48 x 3/8" front mount screws (from rear sight) nor original, came with rifle - cut off with lock washers.
Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
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Mitch,Close but no cigar...If your K4 is 1 1/2 inch at bell then it is going to be a 32mm.The front tube I have measures 1 3/8 inch or about 30mm. Don`t think you could stretch it that much even with it being aluminum. Will have to continue the search for the right one.Heck that`s the fun part isn`t it? Have noticed that on the auctions I`ve seen that the sets for say a Mod 70 ,721,etc. are bargains compared to those for our 8/81`s and of course the 99`s. I have no idea what this 30mm tube would have been for.
Concerning the sticky for this topic: I have an original brochure of several pages that illustrates the Stith mounts.I will find it and perhaps I can send you a copy and you can post it as you offered to do with the information from Jerry on the Model 11`s.
Your concern about the leveling of the scope when using the Stith mounts is valid.This is a common problem due to the correct bases and spacers being swapped out or lost over time and a substitute included with the mount. M.L. made a fine mount but it is aggravating that he didn`t stamp them with some letters or numbers to help us that are using them 50 years later to keep track of what they fit. He did a little better on the Master-mount series but the Streamline or Install it Yourself mounts that we are concerned with, we are kinda on our own.
If the correct base and spacer is not available with the mount then the alternative is to make one.As I did with the Ross rifle and Alaskan I posted photos of awhile back making one was the only solution.
Concerning the sticky for this topic: I have an original brochure of several pages that illustrates the Stith mounts.I will find it and perhaps I can send you a copy and you can post it as you offered to do with the information from Jerry on the Model 11`s.
Your concern about the leveling of the scope when using the Stith mounts is valid.This is a common problem due to the correct bases and spacers being swapped out or lost over time and a substitute included with the mount. M.L. made a fine mount but it is aggravating that he didn`t stamp them with some letters or numbers to help us that are using them 50 years later to keep track of what they fit. He did a little better on the Master-mount series but the Streamline or Install it Yourself mounts that we are concerned with, we are kinda on our own.
If the correct base and spacer is not available with the mount then the alternative is to make one.As I did with the Ross rifle and Alaskan I posted photos of awhile back making one was the only solution.
".......ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
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Send away on that brochure will get it posted. May need to do a Stith thread, then maybe a Weaver , and … finally having one for all the others?
Speaking of Weavers, I have three K4s: K4 "L" 1.38"/35mm (in the photos and worse glass of the bunch), K4 "60-B" 1.55"/40mm, and K4 1.31"/33mm, and how many more are there? Problem, one cannot even go by "it's a K4" when indicating size or what Stith front mount they want!
Speaking of Weavers, I have three K4s: K4 "L" 1.38"/35mm (in the photos and worse glass of the bunch), K4 "60-B" 1.55"/40mm, and K4 1.31"/33mm, and how many more are there? Problem, one cannot even go by "it's a K4" when indicating size or what Stith front mount they want!
Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine