.What kind of accuracy should I expect?
What kind of accuracy should I expect?
I have my ammo in for the .32 rem Model 8. I was wondering what to expect, looks like 3-4" groups at 100 yards probably. Anybody shoot tighter with a scope and reloads? Thinking about looking for an M81 in .300 Savage with a scope or holes already drilled and leaving this one with unmolested metal and shooting with open sights. Maybe I just need all 4 calibers and do a range test .
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Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
Again, Glad to have you with us. Yes, the sessions at the range are going to be the convincer rather than what someone else experienced.All the calibers? You bet. I`m sure that the desire to own at least one of each in these fine old rifles is shared by many here and certainly by me.
That is just the first logical step in the addiction we have.
Your idea of preserving an unmolested example opting for another that has been drilled to scope makes good sense. I have had this same idea in keeping some intact and concentrating on the ones that would be the most suitable for hunting. The 300 Sav was the choice for me.
I invite you to review a post by our friend "wildgoose" re; "need some input". The accuracy issue was discussed and he was good enough to provide a photo of the target and groups shot. I think he is kin to old Daniel. His experience was a little better than the 3 or 4 inches you mentioned.Good luck .
Joe
That is just the first logical step in the addiction we have.
Your idea of preserving an unmolested example opting for another that has been drilled to scope makes good sense. I have had this same idea in keeping some intact and concentrating on the ones that would be the most suitable for hunting. The 300 Sav was the choice for me.
I invite you to review a post by our friend "wildgoose" re; "need some input". The accuracy issue was discussed and he was good enough to provide a photo of the target and groups shot. I think he is kin to old Daniel. His experience was a little better than the 3 or 4 inches you mentioned.Good luck .
Joe
".......ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
Hey texassako,
Now you be real carefull about going for one of each caliber. You are definitely toying with the "jackitis" that seems to get the new guys like you.
Just a couple more and then I will be satisfied ain't going to happen. 
That being said, I say go for it. You will be in some good company. 
Just make sure you have a good sofa.
I agree with Joe's advice. If you have something in mind, let us know and somebody here may be able to help you find what you want.
Regards,
jack1653
Now you be real carefull about going for one of each caliber. You are definitely toying with the "jackitis" that seems to get the new guys like you.
Just a couple more and then I will be satisfied ain't going to happen. That being said, I say go for it. You will be in some good company. Just make sure you have a good sofa.I agree with Joe's advice. If you have something in mind, let us know and somebody here may be able to help you find what you want.
Regards,
jack1653
Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
See my 2011 postings of Jan 26, Feb 4, and Mar 1 for some accuracy test information of my M81 in .30 Rem.
I'd say, at least for my M81, anything under 4" at 100 yards (5-shot groups) with open sights is doing pretty good. I'm going out later today to do some test firing of my new M81 in .300 Savage, and will post results.
These rifles were designed and intended for close-range work on deer-sized critters, and the barrel support method mitigates against this design ever being a bench rest rifle - but they were plenty good enough in the accuracy department for deer hunting within 100 yards. As always, there may be individual exceptions, and some rifles could do much better, especially if they are scoped.
If you expect to shoot at game much beyond 100-125 yards, I'd strongly suggest using a different rifle.
For anything like detailed grouping testing, I'd always recommend firing at least three 5-shot groups at 100 yards and averaging the C2C measurements. I did not follow that procedure in my postings, but for other more accurate rifles with scopes mounted, I always do that for testing handloads and rifles.
I'd say, at least for my M81, anything under 4" at 100 yards (5-shot groups) with open sights is doing pretty good. I'm going out later today to do some test firing of my new M81 in .300 Savage, and will post results.
These rifles were designed and intended for close-range work on deer-sized critters, and the barrel support method mitigates against this design ever being a bench rest rifle - but they were plenty good enough in the accuracy department for deer hunting within 100 yards. As always, there may be individual exceptions, and some rifles could do much better, especially if they are scoped.
If you expect to shoot at game much beyond 100-125 yards, I'd strongly suggest using a different rifle.
For anything like detailed grouping testing, I'd always recommend firing at least three 5-shot groups at 100 yards and averaging the C2C measurements. I did not follow that procedure in my postings, but for other more accurate rifles with scopes mounted, I always do that for testing handloads and rifles.
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I took the .32 and the .35 to the range today. Stock open sights are just not doing it for me. I just can't repeat a POA with my bad eyes. The Texan scoped .35 with a worn bore, even at 2.5X or whatever it may be, had a 3" 10 shot group at 50 with Hornady Leverevolution and 3" with Winchester. Strange thing was it was stringing, 1" tall 3" wide group. I thought it might be barrel heating, but on the trip back to the car the rear scope mount was rattling around it was so loose 
. And to follow up on DWalts comments. I use a .25-06 Sako that shoots 1/4 MOA 10 shot groups at 100-300 yards and it is my go to gun for most of my hunting. I now hunt in an area unsuited for it, even though it it so accurate. Dense brush, short shots, and thick skinned hogs have been added to the menu.
. And to follow up on DWalts comments. I use a .25-06 Sako that shoots 1/4 MOA 10 shot groups at 100-300 yards and it is my go to gun for most of my hunting. I now hunt in an area unsuited for it, even though it it so accurate. Dense brush, short shots, and thick skinned hogs have been added to the menu.
Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
Hey Tex,
Want to trade Mr. Dead-On 25-06 for a big boomer also accurate?
Want to trade Mr. Dead-On 25-06 for a big boomer also accurate?
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Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
The nice thing I noticed is this Texan scope does not need to be turned in the mount for clearance to eject or load when using these Stith mounts. I decided to save the 100 yard range for another day since my shoulder is a bit discolored after several boxes through each and the surprise shoulder thumper of the day - an Italian cavalry rifle that only weighs about 5 pounds.
I already thinned that herd to get some mad money to play with other guns.imfuncity wrote:Hey Tex,
Want to trade Mr. Dead-On 25-06 for a big boomer also accurate?
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And... if I were you, I sure wouldn't part with that Sako but I had to ask. 
Besides, if you did - you'd have to change your handle! 
Besides, if you did - you'd have to change your handle! Though defensive violence will always be “a sad necessity” in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men. - St. Augustine
Re: What kind of accuracy should I expect?
I'm not a hog hunter, but in this area, red dot sights are popular for hog hunting (many are on shotguns shooting slugs). I also do not do well with open sights, as my vision is becoming poorer with advancing age, but peeps still work pretty good. I have several .22s with red dots, and they work great for me. Many people don't know that red dots are intended for use with both eyes open. You may wish to try one on your .25-'06 for hogs. My best friend's hog gun is an SKS with issue open sights, and he does well with it.
Note also that most Military M4s are equipped with Eotech red dots, and they do produce results. But Eotech sights are fairly costly.
Note also that most Military M4s are equipped with Eotech red dots, and they do produce results. But Eotech sights are fairly costly.