Howdy gents. I hope that y'all had a good 2024 and an even better 2025!
We know that 35 Rem was the only offering in 1906. 30 Rem " 30-30 REM" was introduced in 1907, a percentage of the rifles made in 1907 were hand engraved on shroud. Main thing I'm trying to figure out about is 32 Remington- the production numbers of it that year had to be quite small right?
I've only ever seen one picture of 32 Rem being hand engraved on the shroud, not sure if it was on here or in an internet search. My theory- majority of 1907 rifles were 35 Rem, second to that was the 30-30 Rem. If I were to give an estimate on 1907 32 Rem, I would say less than 10%. What is your theory on percentage of rifles chambered in 32 Rem for it's introduction year?
Between the Remington autoloading rifle and the slide action rifle 35 and 30 Rem were the two most successful chamberings.
32 REM introduction ?'s
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MinnesotaDan
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Re: 32 REM introduction ?'s
Hey Hibby,
Hope that you had a good holiday.
I have serial #7580 in 32 Remington. The serial number is NOT hand engraved on mine. It is my oldest Model 8, I have no other 1907 Model 8s to compare it to, but I think that you are probably right, they did not manufacture a lot of these rifles in 32 Remington back in 1907.
Even though it might be a bit rarer from a numerical standpoint, I do not think that one of these rifles (an 8 in 32 made in 1907) is, or isn't more collectible or valuable than others unless it was something other that ordinary-a special grade rifle, one with hand engraving, exceptional near mint condition, etc. Mine is in very good condition for it's age, but not what I would call "exceptional".
Hopefully some others on the forum will come forward with information on their 1907 made 32s.
Hope that you had a good holiday.
I have serial #7580 in 32 Remington. The serial number is NOT hand engraved on mine. It is my oldest Model 8, I have no other 1907 Model 8s to compare it to, but I think that you are probably right, they did not manufacture a lot of these rifles in 32 Remington back in 1907.
Even though it might be a bit rarer from a numerical standpoint, I do not think that one of these rifles (an 8 in 32 made in 1907) is, or isn't more collectible or valuable than others unless it was something other that ordinary-a special grade rifle, one with hand engraving, exceptional near mint condition, etc. Mine is in very good condition for it's age, but not what I would call "exceptional".
Hopefully some others on the forum will come forward with information on their 1907 made 32s.
Re: 32 REM introduction ?'s
Hey fellas,
I didn’t look at Henwoods book yet, but Wikipedia says it was introduced in 1906 with the other 3 calibers. I wouldn’t guess as to any production numbers in 1906 or 1907 but I’m sure it was less than 35 or 30. I’ve never seen an engraved caliber 32, but they probably did exist back then. I do know that if anyone knows the answers to these questions, it would be Bob Creamer. He’s an absolute encyclopedia on M8/81 s. Luckily for me I was able to talk one on one with him a few times at Tulsa. I tried to absorb as much information as I could from him. However with my advancing years, I’ve not retained as much as I wished I could have. Maybe some one can settle this question. I guess I’m not that person!
Thanks for your time
Roger
I didn’t look at Henwoods book yet, but Wikipedia says it was introduced in 1906 with the other 3 calibers. I wouldn’t guess as to any production numbers in 1906 or 1907 but I’m sure it was less than 35 or 30. I’ve never seen an engraved caliber 32, but they probably did exist back then. I do know that if anyone knows the answers to these questions, it would be Bob Creamer. He’s an absolute encyclopedia on M8/81 s. Luckily for me I was able to talk one on one with him a few times at Tulsa. I tried to absorb as much information as I could from him. However with my advancing years, I’ve not retained as much as I wished I could have. Maybe some one can settle this question. I guess I’m not that person!
Thanks for your time
Roger
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Re: 32 REM introduction ?'s
Thanks for the replies gents (Dan - Roger.)
Roger, I found the picture, no backstory to the rifle. That's the only photo of the gun I have.
I understand that generally speaking a second year 32 Rem won't bring more money. The caliber not being stamped on the barrel extension but hand stamped/engraved on the shroud for the first 3 chamberings would be a COOL endeavor.
Roger, I found the picture, no backstory to the rifle. That's the only photo of the gun I have.
I understand that generally speaking a second year 32 Rem won't bring more money. The caliber not being stamped on the barrel extension but hand stamped/engraved on the shroud for the first 3 chamberings would be a COOL endeavor.
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MinnesotaDan
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Re: 32 REM introduction ?'s
I checked Henwood's book and it is in disagreement with Wikipedia on the year of introduction of the .32 Remington in the Autoloading rifle.
On page 17 Henwood states:
"During the first year rifles chambered only for the .35 Remington caliber cartridge were produced, with a magazine capacity of four cartridges....... The first shipment of rifles was made during October, 1906.
Commencing in 1907 the caliber .30 (the firm called it the ".30-30 Remington" at first) and .32 Remington rimless cartridges were added, and the catalog noted that the ".25-35 Remington" would soon be introduced."
On page 277 Henwood relates that a reader in Wisconsin reported to him that out of all of the 8s that the reader has owned, handled, or seen broke down as follows: 188 Model 8s total
Almost 50% were 35 cal
Almost 20% were 30 cal
Just over 15% were 32 cal
Roughly 6% were 25 cal
This equals 91%, but then Henwood states that 20 (9.5%) were deluxe grades, and then states that of these 20, four were 30 cal., four were 32 cal, 12 were 35. Three were converted to 300 Savage. So, four out of the twenty special grades were .32s, or one out of every 5.
If one supposes that this sample size is big enough ( a study with an N of 188 would have a small P value- making the chance of the outcome unlikely due to to strictly a outside the bellcurve distribution), one can be fairly certain that the # of Autoloaders/Model 8s in 32 would be around the 15% quoted. However, this might not speak to the % of 1907 produced rifles that were in .32.
So, with the best statistics available, a reasonable estimate would be that somewhere between one in five to one in seven of these rifles were chambered in .32 Remington.
On page 17 Henwood states:
"During the first year rifles chambered only for the .35 Remington caliber cartridge were produced, with a magazine capacity of four cartridges....... The first shipment of rifles was made during October, 1906.
Commencing in 1907 the caliber .30 (the firm called it the ".30-30 Remington" at first) and .32 Remington rimless cartridges were added, and the catalog noted that the ".25-35 Remington" would soon be introduced."
On page 277 Henwood relates that a reader in Wisconsin reported to him that out of all of the 8s that the reader has owned, handled, or seen broke down as follows: 188 Model 8s total
Almost 50% were 35 cal
Almost 20% were 30 cal
Just over 15% were 32 cal
Roughly 6% were 25 cal
This equals 91%, but then Henwood states that 20 (9.5%) were deluxe grades, and then states that of these 20, four were 30 cal., four were 32 cal, 12 were 35. Three were converted to 300 Savage. So, four out of the twenty special grades were .32s, or one out of every 5.
If one supposes that this sample size is big enough ( a study with an N of 188 would have a small P value- making the chance of the outcome unlikely due to to strictly a outside the bellcurve distribution), one can be fairly certain that the # of Autoloaders/Model 8s in 32 would be around the 15% quoted. However, this might not speak to the % of 1907 produced rifles that were in .32.
So, with the best statistics available, a reasonable estimate would be that somewhere between one in five to one in seven of these rifles were chambered in .32 Remington.